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Hosun S[Fill in the Blank] Lee
Tom Galloway <t...@netcom.com> writes:
: Newsarama quotes Tom as saying that there'll be a new Rampaging Hulk
: series come July, with a creative team of Glenn Greenberg and Rick
: Leonardi. How will this tie in with the regular Hulk book, and if
: it's set contemporaneously, how much input will Peter have into it?
I thought Rampaging Hulk was a series about Hulk in the past, during his
early days. A Legends of the Hulk type of series. So there shouldn't be
any conflict as long as it's kept like UTOS was.
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De Parker
Tom Galloway wrote:
> Newsarama quotes Tom as saying that there'll be a new Rampaging Hulk
> series come July, with a creative team of Glenn Greenberg and Rick
> Leonardi. How will this tie in with the regular Hulk book, and if
> it's set contemporaneously, how much input will Peter have into it?
So by July there will be 2 Spidey comics, 2 Hulk comics, and 2 Cap
comics. I think Iron Man is next in line.
dp
Nicholas Blas
JamPM wrote:
>
> Hosun S[Fill in the Blank] Lee wrote in message
> <6b2mj1$i...@nntp02.primenet.com>...
>
> >I'd much rather he retcon UTOS than this.
> >
> >: Eat it funny boy.
> >
> >Pay attention.
>
> It's funny how you COMPLETELY IGNORED my point.My point is that he IS NOT
> retconning UTOS no matter what you THINK in your paranoid little peabrain.
> He's SAID SO.
> Is the origin revision stupid?As it is, yes.
>
> But to try and avoid the truth by shifting the focus is cowardly Hosun.
>
> YOU WERE WRONG.
>
> So now I bid you ado,
> Say hello to the rpsw spammers for me,
> Plonk
>
> I'm tired of shit like this.From now on if you try to change the subject of
> the argument, to keep from acknowledging you were wrong, you get killfilled.
> I've seen enough of this argumentative sleight of hand.It bores me.
>
> No more mister nice Jam.
Bite me. You were and are being a rude arrogant jerk. Hosun, on the
other hand, was CORRECT in saying Byrne will be retconning AF 16-18, and
UTOS since by *ignoring* previously written material, Byrne has a long
history of making it no longer possible.
The chances that Busiek's work on early Spidey won't be retconned are
slim, seeing as how they are being ignored and it's Byrne.
Nick.
Nicholas Blas
Jim Smith wrote:
> > Greenberg?! Greenberg?! That's who they chose to write the second Hulk
> > book?
>
> Greenberg is supposed to be, like, a monster Hulk fan (no pun
> intended). At least, that's what was indicated in HULK MEGAZINE a while
> back. I suspect this was a lot like Kurt Busiek's take on a Hawkeye
> series, which is simply: "I don't have time to take on another regular
> series, and if anyone else got the job, I'd have to kill them."
I seem to recall something about beating the writer to death with the
editor...and when someone suggested Stern write it, Kurt said he'd hate
to have to go that to Roger, since he's such a nice guy...
Nick.
Tom Galloway
Newsarama quotes Tom as saying that there'll be a new Rampaging Hulk
series come July, with a creative team of Glenn Greenberg and Rick
Leonardi. How will this tie in with the regular Hulk book, and if
it's set contemporaneously, how much input will Peter have into it?
tyg t...@netcom.com
andrew (MELBOURNE)
Rob Hansen (r...@fiawol.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: The last time they tried this, back in the Hulk's b&w magazine, those
: stories were later retconned away. It will be interesting to see if ,
: five or so years down the line, these too are dismissed from
: continuity.
Or sooner, if they get Byrne to do some Hulk work.
--Andrew
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Jason Fielding
On Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:57:46 -0500, De Parker
<gt5...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
>So by July there will be 2 Spidey comics, 2 Hulk comics, and 2 Cap
>comics. I think Iron Man is next in line.
>
There will be 3 Spidey titles by November. It doesn't get cut down
till then. Sensational gets cancelled at issue 33 and Spectacular is
being made into a Legends type book going into Spidey's past and the
other two will be in present day continuity. The second Hulk and
Captain America is going to be like this. I think the next is the
Avengers to get this treatment.
Hosun S[Fill in the Blank] Lee
Rob Hansen <r...@fiawol.demon.co.uk> writes:
: On 31 Jan 1998 19:52:01 -0700, "Hosun S[Fill in the Blank] Lee"
: <ho...@primenet.com> wrote:
: >Tom Galloway <t...@netcom.com> writes:
: >: Newsarama quotes Tom as saying that there'll be a new Rampaging Hulk
: >: series come July, with a creative team of Glenn Greenberg and Rick
: >: Leonardi. How will this tie in with the regular Hulk book, and if
: >: it's set contemporaneously, how much input will Peter have into it?
: >
: >
: >I thought Rampaging Hulk was a series about Hulk in the past, during his
: >early days. A Legends of the Hulk type of series. So there shouldn't be
: >any conflict as long as it's kept like UTOS was.
: The last time they tried this, back in the Hulk's b&w magazine, those
: stories were later retconned away. It will be interesting to see if ,
: five or so years down the line, these too are dismissed from
: continuity.
Well, Byrne's will be retconning UTOS in less than two years, so hey... :
His comments in Newsarama wer so....ugh....
JamPM
>
>Well, Byrne's will be retconning UTOS in less than two years, so hey... :
He said he is REFERENCING those issues, not retconning them.As for AF 16-18
He is letting the readers decide where they go or if they go.
Did you even READ IT?
I QUOTE:
JB: Untold will be referenced where space allows. Obviously, when trying to
compress Amazing Fantasy #15 plus 17 or 18 issues of Amazing Spider-Man into
the 13 issues of Twice Told Tales, I will be giving greater attention to the
Lee/Ditko material than to anything added on since their run. There seems to
be some debate over just where Kurt's AF series "fits". Since I cannot, in
my own mind, place it where it seems to "belong" -- between AF #15 and AS-M
#1, I will simply ignore it, and let the readers figure out for themselves
where it goes -- if anywhere.
Eat it funny boy.
Jam
Hosun S[Fill in the Blank] Lee
JamPM <ja...@prodigy.net> writes:
: >
: >Well, Byrne's will be retconning UTOS in less than two years, so hey... :
: He said he is REFERENCING those issues, not retconning them.As for AF 16-18
: He is letting the readers decide where they go or if they go.
: Did you even READ IT?
In a NEWSARAMA segment quoted from AOL, John Byrne wrote:
"My version of the origin expands the whole
'accident' considerably -- it is no longer an open-air
nuclear demonstration into which a spider happens
to swing! It is a major accident in which things blow
Up and which Peter survives -- after weeks in the
hospital -- only BECAUSE of the bite of the spider.
The realignment of his genetic structure does not
happen almost instantly, as it did the 1st time. As to
ANYONE getting the powers, it has been
established several times -- WHAT IF? notwithstanding --
that anyone but Peter would have died. He was very much in the right
place at the right time. If these is some REASON for that -- well, I
have some ideas in that direction, but TWICE TOLD is not the place I will
be exploring them."
I'd much rather he retcon UTOS than this.
: Eat it funny boy.
Pay attention.
--
Jason Fielding
On 1 Feb 1998 13:40:01 -0700, "Hosun S[Fill in the Blank] Lee"
<ho...@primenet.com> wrote:
>JamPM <ja...@prodigy.net> writes:
>
>
>: >
>: >Well, Byrne's will be retconning UTOS in less than two years, so hey... :
>
>
>: He said he is REFERENCING those issues, not retconning them.As for AF 16-18
>: He is letting the readers decide where they go or if they go.
>: Did you even READ IT?
>
>In a NEWSARAMA segment quoted from AOL, John Byrne wrote:
>
>"My version of the origin expands the whole
>'accident' considerably -- it is no longer an open-air
>nuclear demonstration into which a spider happens
>to swing! It is a major accident in which things blow
>Up and which Peter survives -- after weeks in the
>hospital -- only BECAUSE of the bite of the spider.
>The realignment of his genetic structure does not
>happen almost instantly, as it did the 1st time. As to
>ANYONE getting the powers, it has been
>established several times -- WHAT IF? notwithstanding --
>that anyone but Peter would have died. He was very much in the right
>place at the right time. If these is some REASON for that -- well, I
>have some ideas in that direction, but TWICE TOLD is not the place I will
>be exploring them."
>
>
>I'd much rather he retcon UTOS than this.
>
He should not retcon UTOS since it was overall well written and didn't
change anything major. Amazing Fantasy 16 to 18 he have a problem with
placing were it goes. But he is planning on changing Spider-Man's
origin which he should not do. I probably not going to get this.
JamPM
Hosun S[Fill in the Blank] Lee wrote in message
<6b2mj1$i...@nntp02.primenet.com>...
>I'd much rather he retcon UTOS than this.
>
>: Eat it funny boy.
>
>Pay attention.
It's funny how you COMPLETELY IGNORED my point.My point is that he IS NOT
retconning UTOS no matter what you THINK in your paranoid little peabrain.
He's SAID SO.
Is the origin revision stupid?As it is, yes.
But to try and avoid the truth by shifting the focus is cowardly Hosun.
YOU WERE WRONG.
So now I bid you ado,
Say hello to the rpsw spammers for me,
Plonk
I'm tired of shit like this.From now on if you try to change the subject of
the argument, to keep from acknowledging you were wrong, you get killfilled.
I've seen enough of this argumentative sleight of hand.It bores me.
No more mister nice Jam.
Jam
Jim Smith
Hosun S[Fill in the Blank] Lee wrote:
> In a NEWSARAMA segment quoted from AOL, John Byrne wrote:
>
> "My version of the origin expands the whole
> 'accident' considerably -- it is no longer an open-air
> nuclear demonstration into which a spider happens
> to swing!
[snip]
> I'd much rather he retcon UTOS than this.
I'd much rather he retcon nothing and tell a story set in another part
of Spidey's history. And I wish Cannonball would stop talking like
Foghorn Leghorn. But we can't always get what we want, apparently.
Incidentally, Byrne's attitude throughout this whole thing really rubs
me the wrong way. I'm not sure why just yet...
Jim Smith
Hosun S[Fill in the Blank] Lee
Jim Smith <jams...@risc.usi.edu> writes:
: Hosun S[Fill in the Blank] Lee wrote:
: > In a NEWSARAMA segment quoted from AOL, John Byrne wrote:
: >
: > "My version of the origin expands the whole
: > 'accident' considerably -- it is no longer an open-air
: > nuclear demonstration into which a spider happens
: > to swing!
: [snip]
: > I'd much rather he retcon UTOS than this.
: I'd much rather he retcon nothing and tell a story set in another part
: of Spidey's history. And I wish Cannonball would stop talking like
: Foghorn Leghorn. But we can't always get what we want, apparently.
THat is true. I wish eh would retcon NOTHING but add a lot, you know?
That's very possible and done right, it can enhance what exists WITHOUT
causing conflict. UTOS is a great example of this.
Although I'm a bit surprised that Byrne is so drastically changing Peter's
origin..... I mean, "It was all a conspiracy" "Explosions" "Hospitals." I
dunno.. One of the things I liked about Peter's origin (well, the
Spider-Man part) was how ordinary and dull it was. Sure, it was a fanciful
situation, but it fit in with his life and how things just happened to
him. It was an ordinary day for an ordinary boy, which became jsut a
little bit more intersting.
Now it's this big destiny schtick with conspiracies and HMO's and all
that...
: Incidentally, Byrne's attitude throughout this whole thing really rubs
: me the wrong way. I'm not sure why just yet...
For me, it's the whole attitude of "I'm fixing things." There's not that
much that NEEDS fixing. He seems to be adopting the attitude that he's
writing the genuine UTOS, and that his works will be the definitive look
at Spider-Man from now on.
Jim Smith
Randy Lander wrote:
>
> t...@netcom.com (Tom Galloway) wrote:
>
> >Newsarama quotes Tom as saying that there'll be a new Rampaging Hulk
> >series come July, with a creative team of Glenn Greenberg and Rick
> >Leonardi.
I really thought this was supposed to be an anthology with rotating
creative teams. First I find out Tom DeFalco is supposed to be *the*
writer of WHAT IF...? and now this.
How exactly does Marvel think it's going to find the next Mark Waid or
Kurt Busiek to help save their collective ass? Anthologies are a vital
part of the breaking-in process, for cripessakes.
> Greenberg?! Greenberg?! That's who they chose to write the second Hulk
> book?
Greenberg is supposed to be, like, a monster Hulk fan (no pun
intended). At least, that's what was indicated in HULK MEGAZINE a while
back. I suspect this was a lot like Kurt Busiek's take on a Hawkeye
series, which is simply: "I don't have time to take on another regular
series, and if anyone else got the job, I'd have to kill them."
> Very disappointed.
Didn't Greenberg write a Star Trek novel somewhere along the road? I
believe that may be my only exposure to his writing...
Mainly, I'm disappointed that Marvel is giving such a broad subject to
one single creative team. Again. Much as I await Roger Stern's MARVEL
UNIVERSE, much as I find DeFalco and Rosemann's WHAT IF? stories
intriguing, and much as I can see why J.M. Dematties would be considered
for the sole writer of SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN, I *really* hate this.
These are concepts that *demand* multiple perspectives. These are
concepts that beg for *fresh* perspectives too.
Jim Smith
Hosun S[Fill in the Blank] Lee
CraigByrne <craig...@aol.com> writes:
: Hosun Lee said:
: >
: >THat is true. I wish eh would retcon NOTHING but add a lot, you know?
: >That's very possible and done right, it can enhance what exists WITHOUT
: >causing conflict. UTOS is a great example of this.
: >
: >Although I'm a bit surprised that Byrne is so drastically changing Peter's
: >origin..... I mean, "It was all a conspiracy" "Explosions" "Hospitals." I
: >dunno.. One of the things I liked about Peter's origin (well, the
: >Spider-Man part) was how ordinary and dull it was. Sure, it was a fanciful
: >situation, but it fit in with his life and how things just happened to
: >him. It was an ordinary day for an ordinary boy, which became jsut a
: >little bit more intersting.
: I agree. It's the simplicity of that origin that made it so great. I could deal
: with John Byrne retelling the FF's origin, because the whole shuttle launch and
: stuff could be retold simply. But I liked the fact that the spider just
: happened to be radioactive and it just happened to bite Peter. It was very
: "coincidental," but it worked. I like that.
For example, I thought it was kinda cool to tie in the FF origin with the
Silver Sufer/Galactus in both the cartoon, Heroes Reborn and ....the FF
movie. It wasn't NECESSARY, but the FF origin leaves itself open for
something like that. And it's kinda cool that Galactus would pave the way
for his own defeat, and the Surfer would inadvertently bring forth the
people who'd save him.
The thing I'm not sure about is how this will work. In EVERY medium,
cartoon, movie, tv show, the origin is EXACTLY the same. It's kind of
impressive in that there's been absolutely no change in the retelling.
Even Superman's origin is slightly different depending on what you're
reading or watching.
But Spider-Man? Nope.
: It's like my liking UNTOLD TALES OF SPIDER-MAN, because it kept the simplicity
: of the classic stories while still being entertaining.
Exactly. THis isn't to say complex stories AREN'T needed, but there's a
time and place for both kinds of stories. And they're not limited to here
or then.
Hosun S[Fill in the Blank] Lee
Randy Lander <rwla...@io.com> writes:
: t...@netcom.com (Tom Galloway) wrote:
: >Newsarama quotes Tom as saying that there'll be a new Rampaging Hulk
: >series come July, with a creative team of Glenn Greenberg and Rick
: >Leonardi.
: Greenberg?! Greenberg?! That's who they chose to write the second Hulk
: book?
At least it's not Glenn Herdling....
Glenn Greenberg's a competent writer, but some of the names I'd heard
bandied about as potentials before would have been much better choices.
Hosun S[Fill in the Blank] Lee
Jim Smith <jams...@risc.usi.edu> writes:
: Randy Lander wrote:
: >
: >
: > >Newsarama quotes Tom as saying that there'll be a new Rampaging Hulk
: > >series come July, with a creative team of Glenn Greenberg and Rick
: > >Leonardi.
: I really thought this was supposed to be an anthology with rotating
: creative teams. First I find out Tom DeFalco is supposed to be *the*
: writer of WHAT IF...? and now this.
: How exactly does Marvel think it's going to find the next Mark Waid or
: Kurt Busiek to help save their collective ass? Anthologies are a vital
: part of the breaking-in process, for cripessakes.
Agreed. A lot of the current crop came to light in low-selling titles with
little attention, or anthologies. Now, every book has to be disgustingly
high-profile and high-profit and anthologies are a no-no.
Business-wise, I understand the reasoning behind this. Anthologies have
rarely been profitable, and it doesn't make sense to keep around a weak
title when you can have another X-book.
But I think it says something when in the past five-eight year, yuo've had
what, maybe a handful of *GOOD*, *REALLY* good writers. Joe Kelly's the
only really new writer I can think of that'd fit into this. Both D. Curtis
Johnson and Brian K. Vaughn are too new to really have a track record
(although both seem to be very, very promising). There are plenty of
writers with track records who are NOW becoming more popular in the
mainstream DC/Marvel universe (Morrison, Seagle), but if you asked me to
come up with great writers from the 80's, I could go on for hours. Well,
metaphorically speaking.
Oh yeah, Warren Ellis... He's almost new.
: > Greenberg?! Greenberg?! That's who they chose to write the second Hulk
: > book?
: Greenberg is supposed to be, like, a monster Hulk fan (no pun
: intended). At least, that's what was indicated in HULK MEGAZINE a while
: back. I suspect this was a lot like Kurt Busiek's take on a Hawkeye
: series, which is simply: "I don't have time to take on another regular
: series, and if anyone else got the job, I'd have to kill them."
But Kurt Busiek would inspire confidence. What has Glenn Greenberg done?
Did he do the OSBORN FILES or was that Herdling?
See, they should bring in fresh writers, nobodies, or somebodies who've
never tried. Larry Hama on the Hulk, Warren Ellis on Spider-Man, Mark Waid
on Punisher. That's not to say this would all work out. Some writers will
just stink on some titles, no matter their talent. But hey, it'd be neat
to see, and it'd certainly give a much fresher crop of stories.
Nicholas Blas
Hosun S[Fill in the Blank] Lee wrote:
> Byrne never said that. He said something to the effect that it would be
> more destiny than luck that results in Peter getting his powers. He'd try
> to introduce or explore revelations that only Peter would have gotten
> powers via the accident, anyone else would have died. The experiement
> would also go from a small incident to a large, big-time event.
>
> I said "it's all a conspiracy" because it sounds like the radioactive
> spider bit's going to change from a random event to something planned.
It was something planned. Lord Chaos and Master Order "arranged" for
Peter to be bitten by the radioactive spider, so he could help stop
Thanos from destroying the universe. Didn't you read MTiO Annual 2? ;)
Nick.
Nicholas Blas
RogLStern wrote:
> 3) There are no conspiracies connected to Spider-Man's orgin.
The above is incorrect. Chaos and Order *clearly* state they arranged
the whole thing. However, since whether they are actually two beings,
one, or simply none at all is probably debatable, the idea that O/C
constitues a conspiracy is also pretty questionable. Oh well, abstract
entities are rather confusing anyway...
Nick.
Nicholas Blas
Jim Smith wrote:
>
> Nicholas Blas wrote:
> >
> > RogLStern wrote:
> >
> > > 3) There are no conspiracies connected to Spider-Man's orgin.
> >
> > The above is incorrect. Chaos and Order *clearly* state they arranged
> > the whole thing.
>
> doesn't make it a conspiracy.
Yes, but you didn't plan it with anyone else, which is a requirement in
a conspiracy.
Nick.
CraigByrne
Hosun Lee said:
>
>THat is true. I wish eh would retcon NOTHING but add a lot, you know?
>That's very possible and done right, it can enhance what exists WITHOUT
>causing conflict. UTOS is a great example of this.
>
>Although I'm a bit surprised that Byrne is so drastically changing Peter's
>origin..... I mean, "It was all a conspiracy" "Explosions" "Hospitals." I
>dunno.. One of the things I liked about Peter's origin (well, the
>Spider-Man part) was how ordinary and dull it was. Sure, it was a fanciful
>situation, but it fit in with his life and how things just happened to
>him. It was an ordinary day for an ordinary boy, which became jsut a
>little bit more intersting.
I agree. It's the simplicity of that origin that made it so great. I could deal
with John Byrne retelling the FF's origin, because the whole shuttle launch and
stuff could be retold simply. But I liked the fact that the spider just
happened to be radioactive and it just happened to bite Peter. It was very
"coincidental," but it worked. I like that.
It's like my liking UNTOLD TALES OF SPIDER-MAN, because it kept the simplicity
of the classic stories while still being entertaining.
Nowadays, if they retold the origin of the Avengers, it would be a 10-part
storyline running through 8 titles. Whereas the original occurred in about 30
pages, with only one panel to even discuss a name. It's simple, but it works.
Now take for an argument, John Byrne's retelling of the Superman origin. This
was something that NEEDED to be done. Spidey may be broke, but nothing Byrne
can do will fix it. WIZARD had the ball rolling when they said how to keep the
books successful without redoing them. Byrne made Superman successful by
"Marvel-izing" him in a way. Spider-Man's already "Marvel-ized."
If it were up to me, let Kurt Busiek or Roger Stern or someone who's done well
by the character redo things.
And since Byrne is so anxious to work for Marvel again, how about that series
chronicling the time between X-Men #67-93? I'd STILL like to see that... how
about it JB?
Craig
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Randy Lander
t...@netcom.com (Tom Galloway) wrote:
>Newsarama quotes Tom as saying that there'll be a new Rampaging Hulk
>series come July, with a creative team of Glenn Greenberg and Rick
>Leonardi.
Greenberg?! Greenberg?! That's who they chose to write the second Hulk
book?
Very disappointed.
The above are the opinions of Randy Lander. Had they been
the biblical truth, your bushes would be on fire.
---------------------------------------------------------
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Mikko Aittola
Nicholas Blas <nmb...@ucdavis.edu> writes:
> Bite me. You were and are being a rude arrogant jerk. Hosun, on the
> other hand, was CORRECT in saying Byrne will be retconning AF 16-18, and
> UTOS since by *ignoring* previously written material, Byrne has a long
> history of making it no longer possible.
Another one who can't read.
Byrne said that he's referencing some UTOS stuff in TTT.
Byrne has given his reason for retconning AF 16-18 and has
also said that the series may fit in another place.
Of course, MAYBE Byrne will retcon UTOS and turn Peter
Parker into a Spider-Woman with three breasts and four hands, but
until you have some PROOF: Stop spreading lies please.
/Mikko
Hosun S[Fill in the Blank] Lee
Gord Locke <glo...@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> writes:
: "Hosun S[Fill in the Blank] Lee" <ho...@primenet.com> writes:
: >Although I'm a bit surprised that Byrne is so drastically changing Peter's
: >origin..... I mean, "It was all a conspiracy" "Explosions" "Hospitals."
: >
: > . . .
: >
: >Now it's this big destiny schtick with conspiracies and HMO's and all
: >that...
: What do you mean by "it's all a conspiracy." What did J. Byrne say that
: indicated this?
Byrne never said that. He said something to the effect that it would be
more destiny than luck that results in Peter getting his powers. He'd try
to introduce or explore revelations that only Peter would have gotten
powers via the accident, anyone else would have died. The experiement
would also go from a small incident to a large, big-time event.
I said "it's all a conspiracy" because it sounds like the radioactive
spider bit's going to change from a random event to something planned.
--
Kevin Plunder
Hosun S[Fill in the Blank] Lee wrote in message
(el snippo)
>But Kurt Busiek would inspire confidence. What has Glenn Greenberg done?
>Did he do the OSBORN FILES or was that Herdling?
>
Glenn wrote the Osborn Journal. He also did Spidey Unlimited #17. Not sure
what else he's done...
Ian Simon Pointer
"Hosun S[Fill in the Blank] Lee" <ho...@primenet.com> writes:
>JamPM <ja...@prodigy.net> writes:
>: >
>: >Well, Byrne's will be retconning UTOS in less than two years, so hey... :
>: He said he is REFERENCING those issues, not retconning them.As for AF 16-18
>: He is letting the readers decide where they go or if they go.
>: Did you even READ IT?
>In a NEWSARAMA segment quoted from AOL, John Byrne wrote:
>"My version of the origin expands the whole
>'accident' considerably -- it is no longer an open-air
>nuclear demonstration into which a spider happens
>to swing! It is a major accident in which things blow
>Up and which Peter survives -- after weeks in the
>hospital -- only BECAUSE of the bite of the spider.
>The realignment of his genetic structure does not
>happen almost instantly, as it did the 1st time. As to
>ANYONE getting the powers, it has been
>established several times -- WHAT IF? notwithstanding --
>that anyone but Peter would have died. He was very much in the right
>place at the right time. If these is some REASON for that -- well, I
>have some ideas in that direction, but TWICE TOLD is not the place I will
>be exploring them."
>I'd much rather he retcon UTOS than this.
>: Eat it funny boy.
>Pay attention.
It's not right, really is it? Peter Parker was supposed to be your average
geek, who gets superpowers, but now the story's going to be turned into
some horrible conspiracy nonsense. And I thought the parents who just
happened to be agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. were a bad idea....
Ian Pointer
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poin...@cs.man.ac.uk
RogLStern
poin...@cs.man.ac.uk (Ian Simon Pointer) wrote:
>It's not right, really is it? Peter Parker was supposed to be your >average
geek, who gets superpowers, but now the story's going >to be turned into some
horrible conspiracy nonsense. And I >thought the parents who just happened to
be agents of >S.H.I.E.L.D. were a bad idea....
>
>Ian Pointer
I'm not really certain what Ian's musings have to do with Peter, Tom, or the
RAMPAGING HULK, but ...
1) Peter Parker was -never- an average geek. He was the studious kid who got
straight A's.
2) Richard & Mary Parker were -never- Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., despite what some
mistaken cover copy might have had yo believe. They worked for the C.I.A.
3) There are no conspiracies connected to Spider-Man's orgin.
Accept the word of one who knows.
-- Roger Stern
Jim Smith
Nicholas Blas wrote:
>
> RogLStern wrote:
>
>
> the whole thing.
This afternoon I arranged to take myself outside and get the mail. That
doesn't make it a conspiracy.
Jim Smith
Jerry B. Ray
In article <19980202225...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
RogLStern <rogl...@aol.com> wrote:
>3) There are no conspiracies connected to Spider-Man's orgin.
I think that last bit was referring to some cryptic comments made by
John Byrne in a recent interview regarding his plans to revamp
Spidey's origin. So, there aren't any conspiracies _now_, but give
it a few months... :-)
JRjr
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I am so hip I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis."
-- Zaphod Beeblebrox
Hosun S[Fill in the Blank] Lee
Nicholas Blas <nmb...@ucdavis.edu> writes:
: Hosun S[Fill in the Blank] Lee wrote:
: > Byrne never said that. He said something to the effect that it would be
: > more destiny than luck that results in Peter getting his powers. He'd try
: > to introduce or explore revelations that only Peter would have gotten
: > powers via the accident, anyone else would have died. The experiement
: > would also go from a small incident to a large, big-time event.
: >
: > I said "it's all a conspiracy" because it sounds like the radioactive
: > spider bit's going to change from a random event to something planned.
: It was something planned. Lord Chaos and Master Order "arranged" for
: Peter to be bitten by the radioactive spider, so he could help stop
: Thanos from destroying the universe. Didn't you read MTiO Annual 2? ;)
I read that ish. It seemed a bit of a stretch, but considering that LC and
MO aren't exactly the most stable of entities, I'll pretend they were on
acid. B-)
Hosun S[Fill in the Blank] Lee
RogLStern <rogl...@aol.com> writes:
: poin...@cs.man.ac.uk (Ian Simon Pointer) wrote:
: >It's not right, really is it? Peter Parker was supposed to be your >average
: geek, who gets superpowers, but now the story's going >to be turned into some
: horrible conspiracy nonsense. And I >thought the parents who just happened to
: be agents of >S.H.I.E.L.D. were a bad idea....
: >
: >Ian Pointer
: I'm not really certain what Ian's musings have to do with Peter, Tom, or the
: RAMPAGING HULK, but ...
: 1) Peter Parker was -never- an average geek. He was the studious kid who got
: straight A's.
I saw him as being average in that he COULD have been anyone. He was
smarter than you, but his life, his background, etc. were pretty normal.
I dunno if Ian meant it in a different way, but when I said he was
average, I meant that he was a good kid who was in the wrong place at the
wrong time, or the right place at the right time.
There was no glamor nor element of fantasy in his life before the spider
bit him.
But he was a bit of a geek....
: Accept the word of one who knows.
Starhawk? You're Starhawk?
Trevor Barrie
>I'm not really certain what Ian's musings have to do with Peter, Tom, or the
>RAMPAGING HULK, but ...
Welcome to the wonderful world of thread drift.:)
>1) Peter Parker was -never- an average geek. He was the studious kid who got
>straight A's.
That sounds like the average geek to me.
jsm...@imap1.asu.edu
Distribution:
Hosun S[Fill in the Blank] Lee (ho...@primenet.com) wrote:
: I read that ish. It seemed a bit of a stretch, but considering that LC and
: MO aren't exactly the most stable of entities, I'll pretend they were on
: acid. B-)
That's not such a stretch once you've seen the dimension they live in.
Trippy, man!
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Paul O'Brien
In article <34D54F...@risc.usi.edu>, Jim Smith
<jams...@risc.usi.edu> writes
>
>How exactly does Marvel think it's going to find the next Mark Waid or
>Kurt Busiek to help save their collective ass? Anthologies are a vital
>part of the breaking-in process, for cripessakes.
Yes, but this is a spin-off from a major title. It's not there to break
new talent. It's there to earn money. Now, What If...? - that's a
book that should be giving new talent a chance. I'm disappointed
they're giving it to DeFalco, not because of anything I have against
DeFalco's writing, but because I think that's a book which should be
kept free of regular teams.
Paul O'Brien
pa...@esoterica.demon.co.uk, www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~prob/
Solid state radio - forty-five.
Jim Smith
Paul O'Brien wrote:
>
> In article <34D54F...@risc.usi.edu>, Jim Smith
> <jams...@risc.usi.edu> writes
> >
> >How exactly does Marvel think it's going to find the next Mark Waid or
> >Kurt Busiek to help save their collective ass? Anthologies are a vital
> >part of the breaking-in process, for cripessakes.
>
> Yes, but this is a spin-off from a major title. It's not there to break
> new talent.
True, but it would be a very good next step for the up-and-coming
writer. When I thought RAMPAGING would be an anthology, I wasn't
expecting complete rookies on the book, but I was looking forward to
fresh faces I may not have been exposed to yet.
BATMAN CHRONICLES does this, to some extent, but it's a 48-page
quarterly and can't do it all.
Now, What If...? - that's a
> book that should be giving new talent a chance. I'm disappointed
> they're giving it to DeFalco, not because of anything I have against
> DeFalco's writing, but because I think that's a book which should be
> kept free of regular teams.
Yeah. DeFalco's Spider-Girl story wasn't too bad or anything, but WHAT
IF...? really doesn't work if one or two guys do all the stories. Case
in point: The upcoming tangent on DeFalco's recent "Carnage Cosmic"
story in AMAZING SPIDER-MAN. I can understand the desire to do that,
but if all of DeFalco's IF? stories are derived from his other work, it
won't work.
Bill Rosemann, on the other hand, comes up with some intriguing
concepts, but doesn't follow through with the script. His "What If Jack
Murdock threw the fight?" and "What if the inventor of the Super-Soldier
serum hadn't died?" sounded *great* when I heard about them, but the
stories didn't capitalize on that. Both these men have written WHAT
IF...? for the past six months or so, and have shown they can't handle
it all by themselves.
Jim Smith
Hosun S[Fill in the Blank] Lee
Paul O'Brien <pa...@esoterica.demon.co.uk> writes:
: In article <34D54F...@risc.usi.edu>, Jim Smith
: <jams...@risc.usi.edu> writes
: >
: >How exactly does Marvel think it's going to find the next Mark Waid or
: >Kurt Busiek to help save their collective ass? Anthologies are a vital
: >part of the breaking-in process, for cripessakes.
: Yes, but this is a spin-off from a major title. It's not there to break
: new talent. It's there to earn money. Now, What If...? - that's a
: book that should be giving new talent a chance. I'm disappointed
: they're giving it to DeFalco, not because of anything I have against
: DeFalco's writing, but because I think that's a book which should be
: kept free of regular teams.
The question then is, why isn't Marvel assigning a "talent" or "big name"
to this title?
andrew (MELBOURNE)
Jim Smith wrote:
: Mainly, I'm disappointed that Marvel is giving such a broad subject to
: one single creative team. Again. Much as I await Roger Stern's MARVEL
: UNIVERSE, much as I find DeFalco and Rosemann's WHAT IF? stories
: intriguing, and much as I can see why J.M. Dematties would be considered
: for the sole writer of SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN, I *really* hate this.
: These are concepts that *demand* multiple perspectives. These are
: concepts that beg for *fresh* perspectives too.
...and DAMN IT, I want a job.
Oh sorry. Just sort of slipped out.
--Andrew
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Paul O'Brien
In article <6bark4$l...@nntp02.primenet.com>, "Hosun S[Fill in the Blank]
Lee" <ho...@primenet.com> writes
>
> The question then is, why isn't Marvel assigning a "talent" or "big name"
>to this title?
It's got Rick Leonardi. Hell, I'd buy an illustrated phone book if
Rick Leonardi drew it.